The Nokia fanboy in me is telling me to kick your ass when we meet up, but I unfortunately agree with a lot of your points.
Faisal N Jawdat
· 1 year ago
I'd go with "do less, but do it well." Fewer phones, but make them rock -- don't make things needlessly mutually exclusive for "variety." One OS, but make it rock -- having the entire UI lock up every time I open an app is so very Windows 3.1. Consolidate to one phone management app and have it work with everything -- I don't want to have to think about which of the four subtly different and incompatible phone management apps I should be using right now. And update the OS across all handhelds -- I'm not going to buy a new high-end phone every year, and if that's the only way to keep up on the software side I'm eventually going to switch to handsets that don't force me to.
Levi Bethune
· 1 year ago
I agree with Nokia having too many phones with similar features. It's too hard to choose, and when you do, then you have to make sure it's US network compatible.
Great post. I too love Nokia too much to see them loose at their own game.
Roland Tanglao
· 1 year ago
awesome from the heart rant! amen brother!
marco
· 1 year ago
Totally agree...
Ah... one more thing... arent you tired of buying the same application over and over again, everytime you upgrade your cell phone model? I have bought the irRemtoe for all high end models from Nokia 6600 to Nokia n95 or e90... and honestly I am thinking about not buying the n96 because of this too.
Micky
· 1 year ago
Great rant, and justified in several area's. I too would say Nokia have far too many similar based handsets in the market place, which not only confuses consumers, but also blurs individuality.
At least S60 5th Edition is somewhat backwards compatible.
@marco, Nokia are working on being able to transfer your purchased applications from one device to another.
marco
· 1 year ago
Micky, great to know that. I hope it will be soon like that. Meanwhile I´ll wait to buy any new Nokia device...
Rita El Khoury
· 1 year ago
There was a period of time when I did wholeheartedly agree with you, but now I TOTALLY DISAGREE, and I've already stated my clear points here.
You have to look at the big picture, with all the eyeglasses you can find, but unfortunately you are looking at it as the über connected / addicted / knowledgable person. For the average consumer, this means two words: MORE CHOICES.
Let's go back in time and try to think of what made Nokia's dominance in the market: 1. Personalizable handsets 2. More choices for the consumer (more handsets that offer quite the same, but have a few pluses and minuses here and there) and hence more internal competition inside Nokia between different handsets 3.Great logistics, and supply meeting demand.
Another thing to take notice off: take a look at the 2005-2006 year. There was a major shift, between S60 2nd Edition and S60 3rd Edition. At that time, Nokia released many handsets that did quite the same. N70 and N72 anyone? It was obvious that S60 2nd was saturated, that's the best it could support: users needed more RAM, more memory, faster processors. Fast forward a little, S60 3rd Edition on the Nokia 3250. Hardware features? VERY similar to the N70/N72. Fast forward just a tiny bit, N80, N91. WOW! One boosts a high-res screen and a 3MP cam, the other has 4GB of internal memory! S60 3rd was given a small lift through the 3250, then bang, N80, N91... Platform takes off, it's capable, it's not EXTREMELY innovative compared to S60 2nd when it's released, but day after day, its capabilities are more and more obvious to everyone.
From the 2 points stated above: 1. It is soooo wrong to ask Nokia to produce less handsets. Yes, personally I would love if they focused on a few like you say, but offering choices IS their strength 2. The N79 and the N85 are like the N70 and N72 of 2005-2006. I'm excited about them. Because they're flawless, they are a proof that better things are coming from Nokia. The technology is saturated. 3. It is also soooo wrong to say that Nokia is going off-course, because it is going PRECISELY ON COURSE.
Anyhow, only time will tell if my analysis is correct :)
andrew burgin
· 1 year ago
Nokia as been more bothered about cutting its cost down an not now producing top quality mobiles,they think because of there good name the got early days it will last,but its not nowdays,they sign up with Carl Zeiss but i do not think there cameras are not very good indeed,i heard they are not making phones in Finland but China using cheap labour,if the N85 camera is rubbish i will be getting the Samsung i8510 instead an leave Nokia all together,Group up Nokia or you will be lose alot of your fanatics
sachin
· 1 year ago
If you want high resolution and great technology you should consider the n810 for now. But the ultimate thing is going to be the n900 internet tablet coming next year.
Andrew Leung
· 1 year ago
@ sachin : the N810 is great, unfortunately it isn't a mobile phone (well save for skype).
Aaron Vergara
· 1 year ago
But the sad point is, never will Nokia release the ultimate phone we all are drooling for. also, people will always try to look (and sure they will find) faults on any newer devices in the future.
I totally agree with Rita's post. Very well said..
Also, it's not that Nokia can't produce the "end all, be all" device. They can, but they won't. we all know the reason why the n85 doesn't have xenon flash, why the n82 still feels insecure with the n958gb, why the n96 sports a weak battery, and so on: it's a marketing and sales strategy.
Nokia's eyes are filled with $ signs. (money, money, money, lol)
Rita El Khoury
· 1 year ago
Aaron, there's also the fact that the "end all, be all" handset would cost $$$$ more than anyone would imagine, and would me more voluminous than you'd picture. A brick. Xenon flash made the N82 as thick as it is, more battery life means a bigger battery size... Nokia's strategy is to implement the tech in some handsets and commercialize them. Meanwhile, the tech's price becomes lower, hardware parts have become a bit smaller and more efficient, and Nokia has gained back their investments' worth. Then they can implement it across all their range. That's what they did with GPS, with 5MP cameras,... They were first limited to 1 or 2 handsets across the range, then BOOM, they are the strict minimum on any handset they release. Believe me, Xenon is coming to all the range, so is DVB-H (as the tech seems to have brighter days now), so is OLED, and probably optical zoom. In 3 years time max, 8MP & Xenon WITH dual-LED & optical zoom will be the bare minimum for cameras, OLED will be the minimum for non-touchscreens.
perry
· 1 year ago
Very good post bro you have made some very good points, Nokia lack direction as big player in the mobile game, to many phones, Shitty build quality i will never buy nokia phone again.
Andrew Leung
· 1 year ago
Never doubted the Nokia build quality though. The E71 for example is top notch. N series devices are usually pretty well built. And my luna, is well, awesome.
Aaron Vergara
· 1 year ago
@Rita,
jeez, you're totally right. i can imagine how ugly the N82 can be if dvbh and optical zoom were packed inside it.
however, at least, "never will nokia release the best possible ultimate phone we all are drooling for". why wasn't the n82 buffed with a 2.6" screen at least? i believe it won't really affect its volume and size. how about fp2 or oled screen?
i suppose, its because nokia were thinking Xenon is already there, and putting fp2, 2.6 and oled screen is overkill. Sure loyal Nokia fans would be tearing for joy with this device package, but for the sake of more profit, Nokia didn't do it.
if a phone with Xenon,2.6" oled screen, fp2, fm transmitter came to life: - who would buy an n95 / n95 8gb? - what will be exciting about the n78 n79 release? - who would be drooling for the sexy n85?
well, i think this spell out "sales and marketing strategy"
Morgan Barber
· 9 months ago
Maybe they thought he was talking to his terrorist friend
channel sunglasses
· 8 months ago
Before I'm a fan of nokia then a sony ericson fan now I'm loving apple iphone people are really intelligent they always have a new invention.
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Great post. I too love Nokia too much to see them loose at their own game.
Ah... one more thing... arent you tired of buying the same application over and over again, everytime you upgrade your cell phone model?
I have bought the irRemtoe for all high end models from Nokia 6600 to Nokia n95 or e90... and honestly I am thinking about not buying the n96 because of this too.
At least S60 5th Edition is somewhat backwards compatible.
@marco, Nokia are working on being able to transfer your purchased applications from one device to another.
Meanwhile I´ll wait to buy any new Nokia device...
You have to look at the big picture, with all the eyeglasses you can find, but unfortunately you are looking at it as the über connected / addicted / knowledgable person. For the average consumer, this means two words: MORE CHOICES.
Let's go back in time and try to think of what made Nokia's dominance in the market:
1. Personalizable handsets
2. More choices for the consumer (more handsets that offer quite the same, but have a few pluses and minuses here and there) and hence more internal competition inside Nokia between different handsets
3.Great logistics, and supply meeting demand.
Another thing to take notice off: take a look at the 2005-2006 year. There was a major shift, between S60 2nd Edition and S60 3rd Edition. At that time, Nokia released many handsets that did quite the same. N70 and N72 anyone? It was obvious that S60 2nd was saturated, that's the best it could support: users needed more RAM, more memory, faster processors. Fast forward a little, S60 3rd Edition on the Nokia 3250. Hardware features? VERY similar to the N70/N72. Fast forward just a tiny bit, N80, N91. WOW! One boosts a high-res screen and a 3MP cam, the other has 4GB of internal memory! S60 3rd was given a small lift through the 3250, then bang, N80, N91... Platform takes off, it's capable, it's not EXTREMELY innovative compared to S60 2nd when it's released, but day after day, its capabilities are more and more obvious to everyone.
From the 2 points stated above:
1. It is soooo wrong to ask Nokia to produce less handsets. Yes, personally I would love if they focused on a few like you say, but offering choices IS their strength
2. The N79 and the N85 are like the N70 and N72 of 2005-2006. I'm excited about them. Because they're flawless, they are a proof that better things are coming from Nokia. The technology is saturated.
3. It is also soooo wrong to say that Nokia is going off-course, because it is going PRECISELY ON COURSE.
Anyhow, only time will tell if my analysis is correct :)
I totally agree with Rita's post. Very well said..
Also, it's not that Nokia can't produce the "end all, be all" device. They can, but they won't. we all know the reason why the n85 doesn't have xenon flash, why the n82 still feels insecure with the n958gb, why the n96 sports a weak battery, and so on: it's a marketing and sales strategy.
Nokia's eyes are filled with $ signs. (money, money, money, lol)
there's also the fact that the "end all, be all" handset would cost $$$$ more than anyone would imagine, and would me more voluminous than you'd picture. A brick. Xenon flash made the N82 as thick as it is, more battery life means a bigger battery size...
Nokia's strategy is to implement the tech in some handsets and commercialize them. Meanwhile, the tech's price becomes lower, hardware parts have become a bit smaller and more efficient, and Nokia has gained back their investments' worth. Then they can implement it across all their range.
That's what they did with GPS, with 5MP cameras,... They were first limited to 1 or 2 handsets across the range, then BOOM, they are the strict minimum on any handset they release. Believe me, Xenon is coming to all the range, so is DVB-H (as the tech seems to have brighter days now), so is OLED, and probably optical zoom. In 3 years time max, 8MP & Xenon WITH dual-LED & optical zoom will be the bare minimum for cameras, OLED will be the minimum for non-touchscreens.
jeez, you're totally right. i can imagine how ugly the N82 can be if dvbh and optical zoom were packed inside it.
however, at least, "never will nokia release the best possible ultimate phone we all are drooling for". why wasn't the n82 buffed with a 2.6" screen at least? i believe it won't really affect its volume and size. how about fp2 or oled screen?
i suppose, its because nokia were thinking Xenon is already there, and putting fp2, 2.6 and oled screen is overkill. Sure loyal Nokia fans would be tearing for joy with this device package, but for the sake of more profit, Nokia didn't do it.
if a phone with Xenon,2.6" oled screen, fp2, fm transmitter came to life:
- who would buy an n95 / n95 8gb?
- what will be exciting about the n78 n79 release?
- who would be drooling for the sexy n85?
well, i think this spell out "sales and marketing strategy"